So, there's this cattle dog, an Australian Cattle Dog, you know, a blue heeler, the type of dog that many believe you have to be rough with, hard on, the boss of and heavy handed with? Yeah, one of those. Stan was adopted by a loving couple who just wanted a nice dog to do things with, to be active with, to take places. Unfortunately, Stan turned out to be reactive with other dogs. He would bark and lunge when he saw other dogs and the behavior was getting worse so they contacted a trainer.
Trainer A
The first trainer is a positive reinforcement trainer recommended by the rescue group where Stan was adopted. The trainer apparently tried to use straight classical conditioning (feed in the presence of the trigger) to modify the issue and change Stan's feelings and reactions to other dogs. Unfortunately, they did so without the use of systematic desensitization.
Classical conditioning is really just pairing something (other dogs) with something (food, for instance). Best case scenario is that the dog's emotional response to the "thing", in this case other dog, changes from upset to happy because the other dog has been paired with food. In my opinion, it is best to do this while also using desensitization. Desensitization means that you keep the dog "under threshold" or exposed at a low enough intensity level that the dog is not reacting, can learn, eat and think. This didn't happen with Stan, he is was far too close and while he would frantically eat, he was far from comfortable. It is my opinion that there would have been far greater success if desensitization was also implemented and if the owner was taught a bit more about the fundamentals of the process and how it should work and how it changes behavior. While we don't need to be too "science-y" with our clients, we do need to be sure not to dumb it down so that they don't even understand how or why something should work and why.
His owner did not see a significant if any change from this trainer, so contacted another trainer.
Trainer B
Stan was sent to a board and train trainer who uses aversives including shock collars and pinch collars to train dogs. Stan was basically physically corrected for reacting to other dogs. This didn't make him feel more relaxed, comfortable or safe. For weeks he was jerked and shocked for reacting to other dogs before the trainer returned him to her with the information that "there is really something wrong with your dog" and that "I can't fix him". Stan was as reactive as ever, probably even more so now.
Why would he get worse and why didn't this work? When using punishment to change behavior a few things have to happen. First, of course the timing has to be impeccable, however, even if it is, if you are using a tool that can create pain or fear for the dog, you start to lose control of what exactly the dog is associating it with. You could be and many times are attempting to correct the dog for his reaction to the other dog, but instead are simply making his feelings about the other dog worse. So, how can he possibly stop reacting defensively when he has more and more reason to feel defensive? We need to feel safe to learn.
Best case scenario, for the owner, not the dog, in this case would have been that he linked the corrections with his behavior of barking or lunging and simply stopped doing it and learned how to cope with his fear or discomfort around other dogs. This happens sometimes and it's why some people feel that this method is acceptable. See? It works! Well, it works if you are only interested in making the behavior stop, it doesn't work if you are interested in making the dog comfortable with other dogs. I have seen this stop some dogs from reacting to other dogs, but I have never seen it make dogs okay with other dogs being around and it certainly doesn't help with the dogs actual relationship with other dogs if he has any, which would be my goal. I don't want him to just stop, I want him to feel okay AND stop. The dog feeling okay is a critical piece for me.
Honestly, I have seen people correct dogs for YEARS for reacting to other dogs. YEARS. And the behavior never changes and in many cases it gets worse. Suppressing behavior in the moment is very different from changing the future of the behavior. Punishment reduces the future frequency of the behavior, so if it is punishment it has to change the future of the behavior. What is it if it doesn't change the behavior but the dog gets shocked or jerked whenever they see another dog? Physically correcting a dog for reacting to other dogs gives him so much more to worry about. He is forced to be exposed to other dogs at an intensity level he is far too overwhelmed at, if he reacts he is in trouble, he can't turn to his owner or handler for help because they are the one doling out the punishment. Many times you can see the dog squirm and look stressed and uncomfortable but tries to hold it together because he is trying so desperately to avoid being corrected by his owner. Not a great life.
The owner was pretty horrified by this training and would not allow Stan to remain for more training and turned to another trainer who was recommended by a trainer that the owner highly trusted.
Trainer C
Trainer C accused the dog of enjoying reacting at other dogs. This trainer said that Trainer B did it all wrong, but then proceeded to do the exact same thing as Trainer B with no improvement. Not surprising since again, it is a very flawed method and will not work with all or even most dogs.
Many trainers who use these methods and simply continue to introduce bigger sticks...stringing him up on a choke chain doesn't work put a pinch collar on him, if a pinch doesn't work, put a shock collar on him, if that doesn't work, put both on him, if that doesn't work, put the shock collar on his abdomen. None of which makes the dog okay with other dogs!
Finally, the owner just stopped and backed off. She could no longer stomach watching what was being done to her dog in the name of training. All she ever wanted to do was help him. This journey with this amazing companion of hers has taught her a lot. She eventually went on to learn more about behavior and training. Stan is older now, she has worked with him using desensitization and counter conditioning and gotten him to the point where they do well together and he is much more comfortable with other dogs in the world. Had she been exposed to this training plan earlier on things would probably be very different for Stan, but I don't think it could have made their relationship stronger. Everything she has done with him was done FOR him. She didn't get the help that she paid for or deserved. But, now she knows and when we know better we do better.
For what it's worth, when you say cattle dog a lot of people will claim to know the breed and what they need. They talk about being firm, in control, the boss, a good leader and many recommend harsh training methods and treatment. I have trained, lived with and fostered many cattle dogs and in my experience, for a dog that is bred to work cattle in a way and in a terrain that few dogs could do, they are incredibly sensitive. As an owner, a cattle dog is not a dog that I want untrusting or suspicious of his human partner. Be clear, train well, be fair, trust him when he knows better than you and you won't find a better partner.
Finally, it's important to know that just because someone is a great dog trainer or very skilled in training pet dogs or dogs for a certain sport does not in any way guarantee that they understand the ins and outs of behavior problems or how to solve them.
Thank you to Stan and his owner for letting me write about his story.
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Wednesday, June 10, 2015
A Cattle Dog Named Stan
Thursday, March 10, 2011
How much does your trainer's breed matter?
Sometimes I get calls from potential clients who are either not in my working area or who have a dog with issues that I am not currently taking on that I need to refer to another behavior consultant. When I offer a referral I am told that they only want to work with me because I have Dachshunds. They are worried about working with a trainer who doesn't have Dachshunds and feel that I will be a better match for them because of my expertise with the breed. So, the question is, is it better to work with a trainer that lives with your particular breed? My answer is, not necessarily.
I have lived with and competed with a wide variety of breeds. I have consulted and trained many more than that. I don't believe that simply because a trainer lives with a certain breed that they are necessarily the best match as a consultant. First of all, dogs are dogs before they are Border Collies or Rottweilers or Yorkies or any other breed and all of their behavior is canine behavior. If a trainer understands canine behavior and is skilled in modifying behavior and the are a good match for you personality wise, then why does it matter if they live with the same breed as you? There are always exceptions and all dogs are individuals, but as a trainer I know the common breed characteristics of most breeds. I also know that the similarities in the breeds within a specific group. In other words, herding breeds are more likely to be like other herding breeds, than say toy breeds. And, toy breeds are more likely to be like other toy breeds, than say, working breeds. I do believe it is important that a trainer have a general understanding of the different groups and of their general traits, but I don't think that they have to have lived with that breed to be qualified to successfully work with that breed. This doesn't mean that it isn't fun to work with someone who has your breed. It can be fun to exchange stories and know that you share a love for a particular breed in common, but that might be as beneficial as it is. The most important thing is whether or not the trainer is skilled at training dogs and modifying behavior.
When I make the decision to refer a client to another consultant what I am going to look at in deciding who to refer to is that particular consultants expertise in the specific behavior problem that client is having with their dog. In other words, someone could have owned, bred and lived with German Shepherds for 30 years, but if they are not experienced in dealing with separation anxiety cases, I am not going to refer clients with dogs who have separation anxiety to them even if they have a German Shepherd. The trainer or consultant needs to be experienced, knowledgeable and skilled at working on that particular behavior problem in order to be able to help the client. Having extensive knowledge of a breed will not help you work through a behavior issue that you are not equipped to handle.
I suppose the only real advantage to living with a breed and having a huge amount of interaction with that breed is that, in a way, you become very skilled at reading their body language easily. Some dogs are easier to read than others and living with a breed can make you very sensitive to how they communicate. Once I had another trainer ask me about Pekingese as she was about to work with one and knows that I live with one and have fostered many others. Since it was an aggression issue I let her know that because the way a Peke is constructed it can be challenging to read some of their more subtle body language signals. She hadn't thought of that and so it was helpful to her to have that insight. She then went on to work with the dog with no problems. Other trainers and owners of specific breeds have been able to offer that type of insight to me as well. It isn't that the information was necessary to help the client, just helpful to file in the back of your mind.
So, when is a trainer or consultant not a good match when it comes to the breed you have? My main answer would be if the trainer has any negative biases about that particular breed. If a trainer absolutely cannot stand a particular breed and finds nothing redeemable about them, that is probably not someone I want to work with my dog. Another issue that I have is with trainers who make say things like, "all Labs love to eat", or "Greyhounds can never be allowed off leash", or "Beagles can never learn a good recall". Even though a generalized comment may be accurate much of the time, they are dangerous blanket statements because there are always exceptions to the "rules". There ARE Labs that aren't foody. There ARE Greyhounds that do fine off leash. There ARE Beagles who come when called. There are no absolutes. I want to know that a trainer is aware and knowledgeable but I don't want a trainer to go in there with a bunch of preconceived notions about a dog that they have never even met. There are many true generalizations but a good trainer or behavior consultant looks at the dog as an individual. As Dr. Susan Friedman would say, "They are all a study of one".
The bottom line is, a good dog trainer or behavior consultant is knowledgeable about different breeds but is highly skilled in reading body language, building or modifying behavior, communicating with the client and producing results.
I have lived with and competed with a wide variety of breeds. I have consulted and trained many more than that. I don't believe that simply because a trainer lives with a certain breed that they are necessarily the best match as a consultant. First of all, dogs are dogs before they are Border Collies or Rottweilers or Yorkies or any other breed and all of their behavior is canine behavior. If a trainer understands canine behavior and is skilled in modifying behavior and the are a good match for you personality wise, then why does it matter if they live with the same breed as you? There are always exceptions and all dogs are individuals, but as a trainer I know the common breed characteristics of most breeds. I also know that the similarities in the breeds within a specific group. In other words, herding breeds are more likely to be like other herding breeds, than say toy breeds. And, toy breeds are more likely to be like other toy breeds, than say, working breeds. I do believe it is important that a trainer have a general understanding of the different groups and of their general traits, but I don't think that they have to have lived with that breed to be qualified to successfully work with that breed. This doesn't mean that it isn't fun to work with someone who has your breed. It can be fun to exchange stories and know that you share a love for a particular breed in common, but that might be as beneficial as it is. The most important thing is whether or not the trainer is skilled at training dogs and modifying behavior.
When I make the decision to refer a client to another consultant what I am going to look at in deciding who to refer to is that particular consultants expertise in the specific behavior problem that client is having with their dog. In other words, someone could have owned, bred and lived with German Shepherds for 30 years, but if they are not experienced in dealing with separation anxiety cases, I am not going to refer clients with dogs who have separation anxiety to them even if they have a German Shepherd. The trainer or consultant needs to be experienced, knowledgeable and skilled at working on that particular behavior problem in order to be able to help the client. Having extensive knowledge of a breed will not help you work through a behavior issue that you are not equipped to handle.
I suppose the only real advantage to living with a breed and having a huge amount of interaction with that breed is that, in a way, you become very skilled at reading their body language easily. Some dogs are easier to read than others and living with a breed can make you very sensitive to how they communicate. Once I had another trainer ask me about Pekingese as she was about to work with one and knows that I live with one and have fostered many others. Since it was an aggression issue I let her know that because the way a Peke is constructed it can be challenging to read some of their more subtle body language signals. She hadn't thought of that and so it was helpful to her to have that insight. She then went on to work with the dog with no problems. Other trainers and owners of specific breeds have been able to offer that type of insight to me as well. It isn't that the information was necessary to help the client, just helpful to file in the back of your mind.
So, when is a trainer or consultant not a good match when it comes to the breed you have? My main answer would be if the trainer has any negative biases about that particular breed. If a trainer absolutely cannot stand a particular breed and finds nothing redeemable about them, that is probably not someone I want to work with my dog. Another issue that I have is with trainers who make say things like, "all Labs love to eat", or "Greyhounds can never be allowed off leash", or "Beagles can never learn a good recall". Even though a generalized comment may be accurate much of the time, they are dangerous blanket statements because there are always exceptions to the "rules". There ARE Labs that aren't foody. There ARE Greyhounds that do fine off leash. There ARE Beagles who come when called. There are no absolutes. I want to know that a trainer is aware and knowledgeable but I don't want a trainer to go in there with a bunch of preconceived notions about a dog that they have never even met. There are many true generalizations but a good trainer or behavior consultant looks at the dog as an individual. As Dr. Susan Friedman would say, "They are all a study of one".
The bottom line is, a good dog trainer or behavior consultant is knowledgeable about different breeds but is highly skilled in reading body language, building or modifying behavior, communicating with the client and producing results.
Friday, January 28, 2011
But my breeder says....
But my breeder says… If I had a dollar for every time I have heard these words followed by an inaccurate statement about canine behavior I would be a millionaire. Before breeders everywhere start raising their hackles, let me just start out by saying that I am a breeder myself and I know that there are many caring, informed and compassionate breeders out there. Those are not the breeders I am referring to here. My concern is with breeders who are using outdated or simply inaccurate information when discussing behavioral problems in dogs with the people they sell their puppies too.
The majority of breeders out there are not trained in canine behavior or learning theory. Many are experienced and knowledgeable about the characteristics and structure of their breed, but most know little about how to treat behavioral issues in dogs, particularly serious issues such as fear or aggression. Many still believe that the only way to train a show dog is to put a choke collar on him and jerk him until he does it right. This is training from the dark ages and unnecessary when training simple show ring behaviors. Using these methods with fearful dogs is not only unnecessary it is inhumane and unethical.
Many of my clients are show dog owners who are living with dogs with fairly serious behavioral issues associated with showing such as fear. The owner is seeking professional help from a qualified trainer and specialist in order to help the dog overcome the fears and learn to be happy and comfortable in the show ring. Meanwhile, they are dealing with a breeder who says the dog needs to “deal with it”, “get over it” and are recommending that the owner force the dog to show despite their fears and before they are ready for it. Many will try and encourage the owners to “pop” or physically correct the dogs for “misbehavior” when the dog is truly fearful and simply unable to perform in the show ring. This is, in my opinion, extremely unfair to the owner of the dog and even more unkind to the dog at the end of the leash being forced to deal with his fears in a very inhumane way. Many times the breeder wants the dog finished despite what the dog might be put through to obtain that title. Other times the breeder may truly not understand that the dog is experiencing fear and that it needs a lot more work than just “making him do it”. Fear is a complex and delicate issue. Owners of fearful dogs must follow a sound humane training plan if the dog is ever to improve.
So, what do these owner handlers do when they are trying to keep their breeders happy but still want to protect their dogs? The best thing I can recommend is that they stick to their guns. If the end goal is for the dog to truly be comfortable then you must take your time and move slowly when you are dealing with fearful dogs. It can be helpful when the owner finds ways of helping the breeder to understand why you are doing what you are doing and that it is to protect the dog and your relationship with the dog. These are more than valid reasons for insisting on a science based, humane, dog friendly training protocol.
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